Also, what are your thoughts about ditching leashes altogether when in avy terrain? Outlow I use 2 seasons, without problems. Most important that sets them apart is release function is a knee saver, it works. Excited for Nov 2018! The Meidjo 2.1 is a step in binding. So I read thru a bunch of this and am pretty confused. 22 Designs Lynx Binding Part. My only beef with the Lynx is the claw grabs sometimes when touring in deep snow and it’s a bit too active/stiff. Whether I chose one over the other would be more a matter of other factors than the tele sensation they deliver because all are the best there has ever been in the tele kingdom. The Meidjo 2.1 Telemark Tech Binding by The M-Equipment Co is a game changer binding for any telemark skier looking to move light and fast in the mountains. The Meidjo was designed to ski more like a duckbill in this regard, giving a better BOF sensation with pretty significant initial heel off the top plate pulldown. If you must have brakes, get the Outlaw or Freeride. I fixed it in the field with 2 part epoxy putty & got going again quick. Due to the low profile the standard heel posts for Axl and Outlaw are so tall they prevent the boot from dropping low enough for the claw to slip over the second heel. We apologize for the inconvenience. Simple question I guess. The Meidjo 2.1 is a 2 pin NTN binding and uses a Dynafit style tech toepiece combined with dual underfoot springs and latching spring box that connects to the NTN 2nd heel under the mid foot. Do the 3.0's have two spring option, like the 2.1s? Paul- the Scarpa F1 will not work with this binding as it does not have the NTN heel, aka duckbutt. hide. The activity adjustment bar is steel, so that’s bound to collect some too. If we’re really lucky, it will have the option to switch between a low and high wire. is the second spring worth it? So far, I’ve broken all the bindings I had, G3, BD, bulldog, except HammerHead and Outlow. Loyal 22D customers will appreciate the use of their classic Hammerhead 6-hole mounting pattern. 3. Pins hold the front of the boot, giving the best ROM (Range Of Movement) and resistance-free stride. 119 likes. I’m no used to low tech and getting in and out, I expected it to be hard. Log In it had a similar feel to the old G3 targa with the spring cartriges a little too loose… Tried all the different settings and cranking them down, but The binding never felt very active, and seem to rely on the flex of the boot. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. The main point is that the performance of all three is more similar than different, all sharing nearly immediate engagement and a smooth power curve that won’t overdrive the tips of your skis like bindings that connect at the real heel. The relative bending position of composite leaf-springs does affect the perception of power when initiating a turn, but once the heel is lifted more than, say seven degrees, the tension from the coil springs dominate and there is no discernable difference between any of the leaf bending positions. I'm also on the M 3.0s - second day on them today (on NTNs) in general. Easy to handle and robust, it is the right compromise between the progressivity, the amplitude of a standard 75 and the power of an NTN (Rottefella) binding for telemark mode and between the mobility and efficiency of an insert binding for touring mode. With the Meidjo 2.1 and Lynx we now have a choice of bindings that offer excellent control and efficient touring mode. The cause is a lifestyle, a life-affirming means of self-expression that most wouldn't dare try to comprehend. Thankfully the slick pins were relatively easy to swap in the field. There will probably also be a stiffy spring option. 3. save. When? Getting in and out of the binding is as simple as the Meidjo. See more of The M Equipment on Facebook. Minor icing issue in Trois valleys after a long day; I just carry a tool to poke ice out (all bindings ice in my experience, but M 2.1 very good, just keep them clean). So, what makes Lynx any better than Meidjo? … I tried all three positions and the difference was subtle at best. report. Some of the details may change by the time Lynx is produced by the thousands but Lynx confirms that the core components of a 2-pin tech toe and spring tension on the 2nd heel yield the best tele sensation I’ve ever felt in over 30 years of dipping the knee. Otherwise, get a leash with a small gauge wire loop “calibrated” to break in an avalanche. Meidjo… Johan says: December 6, 2019 at 11:23 am. Quite simply AWESOME! Got used to stepping in with ski brakes (the system works). The toe piece of the Lynx felt like a competent execution of the classic low-tech design. The main goal was to get feedback on the tele bindings from B and E. Both confirmed that stepping in to the Outlaw is ridiculously easy. Accessibility Help So what’s the bottom line? Meidjo 2.0 – 2 damage in the field. If and when 22D has the inspiration to develop that it may be incorporated. All good fun. I like to have the binding in the touing mode to put it on, so their is nothing in the way to get the insert lined up. Lynx From $0.10. 22 Designs Outlaw X Binding Part. Almost all AT bindings require turning the heel tower which is much more fiddley than simply clicking the claw in tour mode with your boot…looks pretty slick in the video! 2 damage in the field. The Lynx uses composite flex plates and compression springs to deliver tele tension like a leaf spring, only lighter. But on the current information it would appear to be fair to say the Lynx and Meidjo will weigh near enough the same which is roughly 500g per binding. Had high hopes, and looks like we’ll just have to be patient and wait for a revised version. To my reckoning, Meidjo and Lynx were nearly indistinguishable. Mounting: 22D 6-hole, Hello, this reply is for Seth. BCM: What’s the timeline for a TwentyTwo NTN binding becoming available? sometimes there is cross over when accessing the resort slack country and they are not intrusive or much of a hassle, we use leashes on all set-ups/full time. With new products, I expect some glitches. save. The result reminds me of the sweet flex of leather with the power of plastic. Your last sentence nails it Bobby. I then carpet tested them against my V1 Lynx trying to get the same tele-resistance. There might be a Dynafit or B&D option that works already. Boots are now the linchpin to the progression of the telemark future. To which I can say it’s on par with the fantastic performance of Meidjo or Outlaw. Three companies come to mind making these small-gauge wire loops – G3, Plum, Marker. In this age of lighter, stronger and more versatile AT setups the TTN breathes new life into the sport we all love. Press J to jump to the feed. Call in Bruce and ‘expert’ witnesses from this site. Learn how your comment data is processed. But if only looking at this feature, Meidjo 3.0 is really good (tried without the brakes). When the spring tension is applied to the boot at the second heel, effectively in the middle of the sole, the resulting power transfer feels smoother because the lever arm is shorter with less pressure applied at the tip. I love the way the Meidjo 2.0 skis. No more Meidjo for me. Community. So is that too much difference? Estimated weight (per/binding): Small – 17 oz. 22 Designs Welcome to r/telemark Rene. In a few cases it caused the flexor plate to break, and in others the springs on the plastic red shift thingy were damaged. Estimated MSRP: $500 It sports a similar downhill feel as Outlaw, with the touring efficiency of Dynafit’s legendary low-tech system, combined with 22D’s reputation for durability. While there are other manufactures out there toying with NTN binding designs (most notably the Meidjo from M-Equipment), the fact that 22 Designs would be able to develop the first real alternative on the market to the Rottefella Freedom and Freeride was a sign that, contrary to popular belief, Telemark is not dead, and it is not dying. Reply. The Meidjo 2.1 also has step-in, ski brakes, ski crampons, lateral release and optional heel retention with the Alpine Heel Unit. Here is what I found: 1. I would love to use my 2017 model Scarpa F1 Boots as they are my go to slippers. Touring performance was not tested, but there is little doubt Lynx will be as efficient as any other 2-pin binding weighing a pound per foot (480g). Same situation like John M. Feit [3] Bekannt ist das Unternehmen vor allem als Automobilhersteller mit hochwertigen Nachbauten von verschiedenen Jaguar-Rennsportwagen. I'm making deeper turns than ever before with the single spring. Also, another cool thing about this binding is that it looks like the structure comprising of the TTS pins is burlier than the Meidjo. Update on Meidjo 2.1. I’m not a gear tester and I have not tried all the bindings on the market Great one of our long time buddy Alex LeBlanc dicing up some morning freshies. Of course, the low-tech toe also delivers the most efficient ski touring possible; there is no resistance to lifting your heel and you only lift the boot, not the boot and binding hardware like with a plate or 75mm telemark touring binding. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Hoping your view looks something like this today wherever you are ✌, Ty Dayberry showing the Utah crew his take on the words "Life Elevated" , "The Greatest adventure is what lies ahead", "Time flies. Then, put it on by aligning the the pins witht the boots inserts and press donw, you can wigle a bit if nee… Telemark-Pyrenees lists the Lynx as slightly more expensive than the Meidjo so those in Yurp don't even have the relative expense as an argument point, but I'm sure that this is anomaly. Lightweight and bomber 22D quality! It’s still beta season for the Lynx and too early for anyone to know. The meidjo and lynx are the closest I’ve ever felt to the old duckbill with an NTN boot and could lead to a bit of a resurgence for tele. 22 Designs plans to produce a limited quantity of 500, available November 2018. This TTS style binding looks great, but wondering if my F1’s are compatible right off with no mods? Outlaw isn’t releasable either but, thankfully, there are certainly recorded incidents of it happening. hide. In a quick survey of three other Lynx testers at the WWSRA demo at Copper mountain (Jan. 29-20, 2018) they all said the Meidjo was slightly stronger, or more active than Lynx, as evidenced by a stronger rebound at the end of the turn. Thank you Quadzilla for your generous contribution (>$100) in support of this site. The Meidjo is the best all in one solution in that category for me. I skied Lynx side-by-side with both and while there are differences, they are subtle. Is the Meidjo perfect? 今日はテレマークスキースクール開催。初日に弱々ながらテレマークターン完成とはなかなか筋がよろしい。今季初の霊峰拝めました G6 S5. subjective point view. When compared to other low-tech bindings that have zero telemark capability, and especially compared to the one that does, the price sounds reasonable too. Matt October 4, 2019 - 1:14 pm. It is held in place with the same slick pin used to adjust cable pivot location on the Axl or Vice. Lynx is about as easy to step into as a 2-pin fiddler binding can be. No more Meidjo, only steel from 22Designs , Hiroki Ide, same sytuation like John M. Feit. The second heel claw is positioned on the rear sheet with a two-position cam on the sides that holds the claw upright for turns, or tipped back for touring so it can’t grab the duckbutt or get in the way of the boot sitting flat. The spring on M2 does release and is adjustable; not guaranteed of course, but comforting to me. In theory better plastic will overcome that trouble. Got my fingers crossed the final version Will work as designed-. Two towers of black plastic in front of the toe arms help you position the tip of your boot so you can just press down and close the pins securely on the boot. Craig Dostie takes a first few spins on the new NTN telemark-tech binding from 22 Designs, the Lynx. Post Covid, I’d love to see a ‘uni-style’ debate about the merits of Lynx vs Meidjo. Brakes add weight and no one has developed a telemark ski brake that retracts inside the plane of the ski edges. Telemark isn’t dead, it’s more in that awkward age where it’s laying low, trying to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up. Releasabilty is important to me off piste (done both ACLs over the years!). It worked smoothly for me but Bruce commented the heel height issue noted above had given some users inconsistent results. For step-in convenience, Outlaw doesn’t require precise toe alignment, but the second heel connection of the Lynx takes less downward force for the claw to snap on. Stiffness, fit, durability, etc. Whether that’s in the final production version will depend on patent issues. Sheesh!!) This is a touring binding. Had several wipeouts (boarders off piste!!!). Furthermore, it does not have the requisite bellows. Um ein Depot zu eröffnen, ist eine Einzahlung in Höhe von mindestens 2.000 Euro erforderlich. With the Lynx tele-résistänçe, the tension that adds control to the rear ski, comes from the combination of steel compression coil springs (classic 22 DNA), and two strips of composite fiberglass acting as a leaf-spring. My 15 year old daughter races in them (she has ditched her Rottefellas). It’s about on par with Meidjo. Something like the Outlaw X has and even more if possible, but not like the first version of the Outlaw cause it did’nt had much more travel than a Rotefella Freeride. Anyone able to comment on the mounting position (fore/aft) as compared to the outlaw x? I suggest you choose from the original TTS, the Lynx or the Meidjo. Never had the Rottefella release, even when I hit an unseen baby tree). From $0.25. They fix the one, huge downfall of the 75mm which is touring capability. The Lynx & Meidjo bindings are great, but can their weight & reliability be brought closer in line with, say, a Dynafit Superlight? As you would hope, preload and three levels of binding activity are easily adjustable. There’s another binding that we’re working on with a tech-fitting toe for a true Dynafit-style tour mode. Good in mixed UK/Scotland backcountry conditions (when it snows-incrasingly rare now with Global warming). 22 Design’s Lynx. Like all NTN norm bindings it's available in two sizes, short and long. As with any other telemark binding, Lynx has standard telemark releasability — possible but unlikely and definitely NOT certified. Dostie says quite possibly best tech toe pin system on any binding (tele or AT)! Seems sensible to me as leashes are really just a tool to comply with ski area policy to prevent a runaway ski. We apologize for the inconvenience. I pulled out the old Meido V1.X and mounted them up on a pair of ‘rock skis’. Maybe it's because I'm so invested in removing skins with my skis on. So for demo purposes a Vice heel post was used. Hiroki Ide Yes, there is a soft spring and a hard spring with 3.0. For the neophytes and grey-haired doubters, the low-tech toe yields the best lateral power transfer ever for a telemark system. Howdy Rene, how do you do stick the Meijio 3 in tour mode? CV: Fall 2015 is the plan. Maybe with a placebo pill I would be more perceptive. Vosges Télémark. It’s good that I had a second set away in the Alps. So far, I’ve broken all the bindings I had, G3, BD, bulldog, except HammerHead and Outlow. Spring conditions with sticky snow I also had major problems with boot jack and snow packing into the binding. Thus, the forecast for Lynx icing up remains possible, but not catastrophic. Die Depotführung ist kostenlos. What is unacceptable, in my mind, is that those glitches destroy other components of my kit. Your email address will not be published. One thing is clear after checking out 22 Design’s Lynx. Cookies help us deliver our Services. 4 comments. Probably Dynafit as well. No dedicated Lynx crampons at this point, but the slots are there for them, so they will be an option. No more Meidjo, only steel from 22Designs . The rule of Winter ’15 season has been to act fast when fresh snow arrives, otherwise there won’t be much left. I just blew out the bellows on my BD Customs after 10 years of faithful service. 1. Getting out, while improved, remains a task that requires coordination and a bit of technique. For comparison the Outlaw had a standard spring set on 3, Meidjo was also set to 3 with a doubled-up standard spring, and Lynx was at the “factory” setting as determined by Chris and Collins. My wife and I have used them for years on our touring set up. I moved the pin from the rear to the front and still could barely tell the difference. The edging power of the first NTN binding was impressive, but snapping tight at the toe of the boot with metal pins only ups the ante. Those bindings are the go-to options for touring. Ha! (480g) , Large – 18 oz. And welcome to Reddit! BCM: So do you think NTN systems and tech systems are the future of what people will be telemarking on? Online. I have the 2.1, just got them in March. Used it extensively now. Die Ordergebühren an deutschen Börsenplätzen betragen 0,14 % vom jeweiligen Ordervolumen, mindestens jedoch 5,80 Euro. A couple of late storms hit the Sierra last week. It is possible that Lynx could be more ‘active.’ However, Meidjo or Outlaw could be noticeably more active too. Yes I have Meidjo’s TX Pros, Evo WC, Outlaw X, Lynx as well as OG Garmont Excursions, plus three pair of Merrell Doubles. But I was really suprised by the new low tech and the second anchor bevel that allows for a true step in (no need to arm the binding like before. With my Lynx I can just flick it with my pole for changing modes, which works great when your skiing on fat Voile skis with fish scales. The pins closed with a reassuring snap – stronger than a Dynafit but not quite as forceful as a G3 toe. What I don’t love is the fact I have ripped two separate bindings out of two different skis, ruining both (Dynafit Huascarán and Atomic Backland 85). Continue browsing in r/telemark. I have two TTS rigs that have a ski brake. Telemark Gear Guru, Craig Dostie, takes a first look at the new 22 Designs Lynx telemark tech binding. The Lynx is light, weighing a smidgen over a pound per foot. Of the three, Lynx engaged the fastest, while Outlaw had the most power. Top Mark’s. I not used VOILE – so I have no opinion. But I am not running the brakes on my Meidjos this season preferring leashes which I have used for 20+ years. Members. Telemark bindings are designed for the soul-turner, that smooth operator who 'takes a knee' for the cause. CV: Yea. I can say it does work in a simple test of kicking a boot out at the heel. I think 75mm will be around for a long time. Only other issue is crack on the plastic release mech. Was really sad to see the 3.0 already out, with the true step in. 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